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Bob Betel
Allstar Home Mortgage, Inc. - Sweetwater, TN
President, Allstar Home Mortgage, Inc

Take the cost of the points, divide it by what you save per month on the mortgage payment, to arrive at the number of months to break even. Then, decide if you are planing to stay longer or shorter  in your home than that. 

Then ask yourself, would you rather have the money that you pay in points, or rather have the monthly savings?

Jul 01, 2016 12:16 AM
Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
Your Greater Charlotte Realtor

I don't... it's up to the borrower and the lender to determine when/if/how it makes sense.

Jul 01, 2016 11:34 AM
Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

 ##   I will leave the discussion about points, basis points, yield, percentages, etc. to the Lender.

Jul 01, 2016 10:05 AM
Caroline Gerardo
Licensed in 20 states - Newport Beach, CA
C. G. Barbeau the Loan Lady nmls 324982

In general it is better not to pay additional points to buy down a rate, unless you have to to qualify. A .5% in fee does not equal .125% in even rate increments. Paying points for a loan means you intend never to refinance and plan to keep the property longer than 7 years

Jul 01, 2016 07:11 AM
Sandy Padula & Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West & Florida Realty Investments - , CA
Presence, Persistence & Perseverance

Senor Bob Betel answered your question for you.

Jul 01, 2016 03:48 AM
Anthony Acosta -
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

I leave that to the buyer & lender.

Jul 01, 2016 12:06 AM
Kathleen Luiten
Resort and Second-Home Specialist - Princeville, HI
Kauai Luxury Ocean Home Sales

I don't, unless I'm the one getting th eloan. then I use th emethond Bob Betel describes.

Jul 01, 2016 07:46 PM
Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • GRI • HAFA • PSC Calabasas CA

I do not. It is up to a buyer to discuss all loan products with a lender. 

Jul 01, 2016 04:42 PM
Sybil Campbell
Fernandina Beach, FL
Referral Agent Amelia Island Florida

I leave that up to the buyer and the loan officer to decide.

Jul 01, 2016 09:57 AM
Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Happily Retired - Franklin, MA
Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team

if it's a long term investment, pay points...if it's short term, don't....

Jul 01, 2016 06:15 AM
Troy Erickson AZ Realtor (602) 295-6807
HomeSmart - Chandler, AZ
Your Chandler, Ahwatukee, and East Valley Realtor

Minnette - I think Bob Betel did a great job explaining how to determine whether loan origination points are worth it or not.

Jul 01, 2016 05:53 AM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

This is a question I let the finance people answer.

Jul 01, 2016 04:51 AM
Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

Nothing I could add to Bob Betel's answer.

Jul 01, 2016 04:47 AM
John Meussner
Mortgages in AZ, CA, CO, DE, FL, GA, IN, MD, MN, MT, NC, NJ, NV, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WI - Fair Oaks, CA
#MortgageMadeEasy Fair Oaks, CA 484-680-4852

Short, easy answer?  Long term, points are a good thing.  Short term (for those that sell/refi/etc within just a couple years) points don't make sense.


Different circumstances for everyone, but that's the gist.  

Jul 01, 2016 04:43 AM
Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

I don't.  That's for a lender to explain and the buyer to decide.  Personally, I don't do points.

Jul 01, 2016 03:00 AM
Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

Haven't had a client in many years buy down but my old rule of them is if you don't save more in three years than the money put into the buydown, it isn't worth it. 

Jul 01, 2016 02:53 AM
Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Minnette Olsen Loan origination points are charged by the lender for processing, evaluating and approving a mortgage. These fees are determined by the lender and are negotiable between the buyer and the lender.

On the other hand, mortgage or discount points is in essence pre-paid interest to buy down the interest rate on a loan. The buyer should do an analysis to determine if it is a cost benefit for a lower monthly payment up front.

Jul 01, 2016 02:33 AM
Michael Jacobs
Pasadena, CA
Pasadena And Southern California 818.516.4393

That's a good question for a buyer to ask their mortgage professional and for the mortgage professional to listen to the buyer.  

Jul 01, 2016 01:15 AM
Harry F. D'Elia III
WEDO Real Estate and Beyond, LLC - Phoenix, AZ
Investor , Mentor, GRI, Radio, CIPS, REOs, ABR

That is determined by the buyer and loan officer.

Jul 01, 2016 12:41 AM
Carol Williams
Although I'm retired, I love sharing my knowledge and learning from other real estate industry professionals. - Wenatchee, WA
Retired Agent / Broker / Prop. Mgr, Wenatchee, WA

In discussion with the lender, the buyer weighs the pros and cons.  It depends on the type of loan they need and how long they anticipate being in the home or how quickly they plan to pay off the mortgage.   It is not something the agent is involved in at all.

Jul 01, 2016 12:11 AM
Jeff Dowler, CRS
eXp Realty of California, Inc. - Carlsbad, CA
The Southern California Relocation Dude

That's a discussion between the buyer and lender around the financial pros or cons. And the best interest rate might necessiate paying them.

Jul 01, 2016 12:10 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

It's more a matter of are they competitive with other lenders.  You can't borrow money without paying an origination fee.  

If you mean buying down the rate, that depends upon how long you plan to stay in the home.  They longer you stay the more important a lower rate is to you.

Jul 02, 2016 02:04 PM
Diana Zaccaro Broker Associate
Tropical Beachside - Cocoa Beach, FL
"The Accidental Blogger" Cocoa Beach, Florida

I don't...questions like this are referred to the lender since that is their field of expertise. Bob Betel gave a great answer.


Jul 02, 2016 01:50 PM
Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
"Where There's a Will, There's a Way!"

Bob Betel expained this pretty good.

Jul 02, 2016 12:44 AM
Roy Kelley
Retired - Gaithersburg, MD

I like the answer by Bob Betel

Jul 01, 2016 11:18 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

I personally don't - that's between the Buyer and their Lender...

Jul 01, 2016 11:04 PM
Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents

Basically how long a buyer will stay in the home. Points are profit for the loan officer so in most cases under 7 years no points.

Jul 01, 2016 10:55 PM
Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker - Retired

Once upon a time! Today, not so much!

Jul 01, 2016 10:38 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel

The loan officer can explain it to you.

Jul 01, 2016 09:02 PM
Toronto, ON

No need to do so in our great land since points are not used here.

Jul 01, 2016 05:21 PM
Praful Thakkar
LAER Realty Partners - Andover, MA
Andover, MA: Andover Luxury Homes For Sale

Minnette Olsen - simple math. If it brings down the rate enough to repay in number of years the owner will stay in home, go for it!

Jul 01, 2016 04:07 PM
Patricia Kennedy
RLAH@Properties - Washington, DC
Home in the Capital

Look at how long it takes to pay off the extra points, and consider how long you'plan to own the house.

Jul 01, 2016 01:08 PM
Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
Platinum Properties- (931)771-9070 - Clarksville, TN
The Dedicated Clarksville TN Realtor-(931)320-6730

Do the math and figure out when you will cross over the break even. It is usully never a good idea if the property is going to be held short term.

Jul 01, 2016 12:58 PM
Evelyn Johnston
Friends & Neighbors Real Estate - Elkhart, IN
The People You Know, Like and Trust!

I don't, the lender does.

Jul 01, 2016 12:40 PM
Dorie Dillard Austin TX
Coldwell Banker Realty ~ 512.750.6899 - Austin, TX
NW Austin ~ Canyon Creek and Spicewood/Balcones

I want the lender to discuss this with the buyer..he is the professional I don't pretend to do his job!

Jul 01, 2016 12:28 PM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Subjective. If it gets you from point a to point b and that is the journey, ante up. What else is money for I ask you?

Jul 01, 2016 07:18 AM
Sam Shueh
(408) 425-1601 - San Jose, CA
mba, cdpe, reopro, pe

only if one will hold on to that loan for years. Need to determine breakeven point(yrs).  Chances in 6 months new borrowers most are refin.

Jul 01, 2016 12:54 AM