Fred Hafdelin (Weichert Realtors)

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Lyn Sims
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We discussed this here in opposite last week. I have a 6BR & no one was looking at it. I never consider the basement BR's as countable. Most of the time they are illegal like the fire marshall says. 3BR plus bonus room, den, whatever.

Sep 24, 2016 10:47 PM
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Marco Giancola
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Big basement with bonus space!

Sep 24, 2016 10:19 PM
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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
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Lots of good answers where. I am with Mike & Eve Alexander - call it like it is ... two non conforming rooms in basement. Then if you so desire ... fluff it up with possible uses for the rooms.

Sep 25, 2016 01:40 AM
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Eve Alexander
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why not just call it as it is.

2 NON-CONFORMING rooms in basement.

Eve

 

Sep 25, 2016 12:53 AM
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Richie Alan Naggar
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Play or room storages, sewing or, hobby rooms etc. Suggestions with no fact

Sep 24, 2016 11:57 PM
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Michael Jacobs
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I'd call it a basement with separate rooms -- the possibilities await.   

Sep 24, 2016 11:16 PM
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Michael Setunsky
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Fred Hafdelin I would list it a full finished lower level with additional rooms that can be used for workout space, office, den, etc.

Sep 24, 2016 11:15 PM
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Raymond E. Camp
Ontario, NY
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Study rooms for the kids that will be actually used for games.

Sep 24, 2016 10:27 PM
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Jeff Pearl
RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
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Finished rooms in basement.

Sep 24, 2016 10:25 PM
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Bob Crane
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I run into this problem with a few of our rentals, some folks will try to use these as bedrooms nomatter what I call them. 

If I catch them doing it then they are out, far too much liability in the event of a disaster.

Sep 25, 2016 08:45 AM
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate
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What Mike & Eve Alexander said.

   Give written disclosure re: the Fire Marshall's determination.

Sep 25, 2016 08:11 AM
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Barbara Todaro
RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired - Franklin, MA
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they can still be usable rooms, if they have the proper ventilation!!! den, rec room, study, etc....just not sleeping quarters....

Sep 25, 2016 04:41 AM
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Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI
HomeSmart Realty West - Carlsbad, CA
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Just be honest with other agents. What a successful buyer does with these two rooms after closing is their business. Seller must understand the position you are in with this.

Sep 25, 2016 02:53 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
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Fred,

There are great suggestions here, and they are all viable. A

Sep 25, 2016 01:03 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Coldwell Banker Realty - Charlotte, NC
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Just describe those rooms as "flex" space. But don't under any circumstance call them bedrooms even if they are currently used that way.

Sep 24, 2016 11:08 PM
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Gabe Sanders
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I agree with others that suggest the other potential uses for these rooms.

Sep 24, 2016 11:04 PM
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Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
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I would assign uses to them - one is the den and one is the home office or whatever your MLS has as another room - 

Sep 24, 2016 10:55 PM
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Dorie Dillard Austin TX
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I vote for Sally K. & David L. Hanson suggestion! We do not have basements so I find the comments interesting.

Sep 24, 2016 10:40 PM
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Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
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Finished lower level with many options for use...the pictures will help tell the story...

Sep 24, 2016 10:25 PM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
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Is one large enough to be used as a home theater room?

Sep 24, 2016 10:24 PM
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Greg Cremia
Shore Realty of the Outer Banks - Nags Head, NC

We call them bonus rooms that can be used as an office, den, family room, craft room etc.

Sep 24, 2016 10:21 PM
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Debbie Reynolds, C21 Platinum Properties
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I run into this all the time and make reference that they are extra rooms that could be used a workout or hobby room, man cave, storage or for the buyer to use their imagination.

Sep 25, 2016 11:39 AM
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Mary Yonkers
Alan Kells School of Real Estate/Howard Hanna Real Estate - Erie, PA
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Non-conforming rooms unless seller is willing to install larger windows for exit in case of emergency.  

Sep 25, 2016 11:04 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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Three bedroom house with two bonus rooms in the basement that are perfect for an office or study.

Sep 25, 2016 09:29 AM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
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I list them as 2 non-conforming bedrooms in the basement.  I would have a disclosure about what the fire cheief had to say or better yet a written statement from him.

Sep 25, 2016 04:20 AM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
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The basement has two additional rooms which the seller has used as bedrooms, but they have no egress. These would be "flex" rooms or bonus areas. Full disclosure always.

Sep 25, 2016 03:54 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
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Playroom, storage, office, exercise room?

Sep 25, 2016 03:22 AM
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Chris Ann Cleland
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I call those types of rooms in the basement a den.  Of course, if you photograph them with beds, the buyer's mind will connect the dots.

Sep 25, 2016 03:20 AM
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Jeff Dowler, CRS
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Yep 3 bedrooms with bonus rooms in the basement.

Sep 25, 2016 03:12 AM
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Sam Shueh
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3 br, bonus rooms in basement as office, sewing room. No basement will not be included in the sf. 

Sep 25, 2016 02:59 AM
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LeAnn Sink - Realtor Knoxville, TN
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When in doubt, stick to just the facts...... "finished basement offers XXX square feet".........

Sep 25, 2016 02:00 AM
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John McCormack, CRS
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Huge flex / bonus room! 

Sep 25, 2016 01:28 AM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
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I would also pay attention to apprasial requirements since in our city basements are no appraisal space but appraisers have latitude in giving it a value or no value at all.

Sep 25, 2016 01:21 AM
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Will Hamm
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But put it in remarks two non conforting bedrooms in the basement.

Sep 25, 2016 01:04 AM
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Harry F. D'Elia III
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I would disclose that in the listing

Sep 25, 2016 12:37 AM
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That's why you Never do inspections prior listing you never know what your going to find out.  

With that said........

What will the cost be to make them conforming and what would the list price be by making that change?

Sep 25, 2016 12:08 AM
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James (Jim) Lawson, DBA
DomainRealty.com LLC - Bonita Springs, FL
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I would NEVER suggest or insinuate with text or pictures that the basement spaces could be used as bedrooms. If a tragedy were to occur I suspect you would find yourself as one of the defendants in a lawsuit and would be particularly vulnerable since the fire inspector said that the basement bedrooms are non-conforming.

Egress is a serious issue when it comes to fire. These regulations exist for a purpose. They save lives!

My advice is to be particularly careful how you advertise this property Fred.

Sep 24, 2016 11:37 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
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Finished bonus space is the way to go!

Sep 24, 2016 10:55 PM
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Scott Godzyk
Godzyk Real Estate Services - Manchester, NH
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I call it a "finished basement" and let the buyer decide how to use. I would not have taken on the liabiity to have them inspected as now you may have to disclose exactly what was said. Most codes stipulate egress and full size windows. 

Sep 24, 2016 10:49 PM
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Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
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I don't see your question Fred. We get this scenario a lot with converted garages.

Sep 24, 2016 10:40 PM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD

Just describe them as basement rooms.

Sep 24, 2016 10:02 PM
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Monique Combs
Royal Shell Real Estate - Bonita Springs, FL
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I had a home listed one time and the bedroom was in the basement & I had the owner put in a larger window becasue we had enough space to make it legal. 

Oct 14, 2016 01:56 AM
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Tammy Lankford,
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bonus rooms that can be used for crafts, office, den, a gym etc.

Sep 26, 2016 02:11 PM
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Dianne Goode
Raleigh Cary Realty - Raleigh, NC
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Better you should find out before you launch the listing than get in trouble for inaccurate representation afterward!  Call them flex rooms.

Sep 26, 2016 07:51 AM
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Richard Weeks
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We don't have basements in Dallas; however, some great answers were provided.

Sep 26, 2016 12:14 AM
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Kathleen Luiten
Resort and Second-Home Specialist - Princeville, HI
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Two bonus rooms or non-conforming room tells people what to expect.

Sep 25, 2016 06:41 PM
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I am not familiar with the laws, regulations, etc. in your jurisdiction that may apply to this situation.

Sep 25, 2016 06:08 PM
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Praful Thakkar
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Fred Hafdelin - simply mention that they are additional rooms.

Sep 25, 2016 04:02 PM
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Debbie Laity
Cedaredge Land Company - Cedaredge, CO
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Just state it as it is. There are rooms in the basements that don't qualify as bedrooms, but would work for office space, ect. 

Sep 25, 2016 10:55 AM
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Tony Lewis
Summit Real Estate Group - Valencia, CA
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Fred Hafdelin I would possibly promote the home as a five bedroom home with an agent remark explaining that they are not considered to be bedrooms.  Buyer to check.  Disclose and explain and have the buyer acknowledge that it is only a three bedroom home in some eyes.

Sep 25, 2016 09:05 AM
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Patricia Kennedy
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So it's a 3-bedroom house with a bunch of below grade finished space.

Sep 25, 2016 08:55 AM
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Jennifer Mackay
Counts Real Estate Group, Inc. - Panama City, FL
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I'd go for office and study myself

Sep 25, 2016 01:57 AM
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Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
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Add'l Sq, Ft. finished in LL

Sep 25, 2016 12:32 AM
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Dan Pittsenbarger
Keller Williams Western Realty - Bellingham, WA
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If it pencils, have proper egress windows installed. It usually doesn't pencil but in our area if the home was near WWU then it would be worth it as rents are $550-$600/mo per legal bedroom.

Sep 24, 2016 11:51 PM