989,652
No, doesn't bother me at all - which is why I don't promote/"preach" companies, but promote people instead
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Fred Griffin Florida R...
Tallahassee, FL
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Teri Pacitto
Westlake Village, CA
2,781,173
Climbing the business ladder to better ones self is to be expected...
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Richie Alan Naggar
Riverside, CA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Teri Pacitto
Westlake Village, CA
5,104,931
Depends on the reason they are moving. One of the best lenders I've ever worked with has moved numerous times in the past 15 years without missing a beat. But there were reasons...
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
55,673
As an LO with over 46 years in the business. I have made several moves. In fact one of my newspaper ads states"Where in the world is Joe DAgostino." The reasons are many. In many cases (when the business was booming) I was offered as much as $45,000. to move. I know of some LO's offered as much as $100,000. to move. Other reasons were mergers, processing issues,better programs,etc. Many years ago,I learned that people deal we me, not my company,that is why i always considered myself a "free agent" and I was willing to go to the highest bidder. I learned one very important business factor first hand, loyalty is nice but it does not pay my food bills. Companies like Loyalty until you no longer produce.
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Susan Haughton
Alexandria, VA
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
921,504
Yes.
With each rapid and sequential move, proficiency is lost. Me, nor my clients are to be players in this OJT scenario.
I will reconsider when they find a new home and have established tenure.
I don't need to invite that circus into the situation.
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Lynnea Miller
Bend, OR
1,844,291
I don't really play up the company as much as the LO's ability to get the job done. I say that without a good processor & system at the company, his chances of success (aggravation) plummets. I think that is why most LO's move, they can't stand the behind the scenes B.S.
Hope a loan officer chimes in here.
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Lynnea Miller
Bend, OR
2,684,009
If they are climbing the career ladder, fine. If they are leaving because they can't produce, get bad reviews, etc. that would bother me.
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Susan Haughton
Alexandria, VA
5,772,575
Corinne,
I see your point, but bottom line for me would be, are they performing their job well for you?
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
1,543,722
Reasons?
My loan officer Jason E. Gordon changed companies 3 times in our early days, but all three were to get better results and more lattitude with what he could do. One of my deals was literally the cause of him leaving his last broker for Amerifirst, since his broker left us hanging on deal in escrow and that never should have been the case. I don't do it myself, I've moved twice in 18 years and one was because I literally moved 500 miles away, but the reasons behind the move is my main question why?
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
1,157,785
1,052,211
My favorite guy has literally been with ONE company for his entire career of 25+ years. Started as a young pup, knows all, doesn't screw up. There's a comfort level there. Having said that, should he decide to move, I would follow him. Even if he moved 10 times. He wouldn't, but he has established his reputation and it's indelible.
But I also know those who want our business and flit from flower to flower. There had better be a good reason, or they had better be really, really good.
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
3,988,007
Yes it bothers me. I had a loan officer I was using and he left after only being there a year and a half. I followed him to the next company but he stayed less than 6 months. He only stayed at the next company about 4 months and now has switched two more times. I told him don't ask me for any new business until he has stablilized and stayed 2 years. 5 companies in 3 years tells me there is a problem and I can't keep up. My clients need to be able to find him after the closing.
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
544,014
114,113
Thanks to the Dodd-Frank rules and how loan officers are compensated, and now the TRID rules and how they are being intrepreted, and big box compliance enforcement vs maybe a little more lenency with a smaller bank. Loan officers and their teams and managers look for better operations, best execution practices and the best comp plan available.
For example I've worked the the big box banks where I MUST answer the phone with my NMLS ID or get written up. I must quote the APR every time I quote an interest rate or get written up. Neither are mandated by NMLS, SAFE or TRID, just the banks policy. Didn't get discussed in the training but was the practice on the sales floor. Sometimes a move makes mental health sense.
Also, believe it or not Recruiters spin the job opportunity and they do it to managers when trying to get a team to make a move. Happens more than you would believe. You don't know the truth until you have been there a while.
So cut the guy some slack, ask him to explain what happened and if you are satisfied with the answers and he gets your buyers loan done on time in this over regulated lending environment, keep him.
We all go to the same well for the money. Every lender and broker has potential access to FannieMae, FreddieMac, FHA,VA and Gnma loans, depending upon their banks marketing and business plans.
Just like some real estate offices work more with teams of realtors, some with individual agents, some with investors, some with builders, some with RELO's, some with buyers, some with sellers and I've heard rumers that managing brokers sometimes change direction so real estate agents leave as well.
AZ DRE and AZ DFI manage both real estate agents and loan officers with the same set of rules. I'm sure your state has agencies that audit your companies as well.
Bottom line, I work with the real estate agent that takes care of my referrals and don't really care to much what broker he has his license hung with.
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5,868,544
142,796
1,076,551
It should raise a red flag that a loan officer isn't doing good enough due diligence on propsective employers, but it could also just be a bait and switch where the lender is promising the moon & stars and then isn't delivering.
So it could be a red flag, but should more just be a question of 'what happened?'.
I had a scenario back in 2008 where I had purchase loans in process and my lender at the time was getting hit hard by the market collapse --- I wasn't sure if I would be able to fund purchases in process, so I had to leave and join another place (even knowing the new place was not a good fit) just to make sure people buying homes weren't going to lose their homes ----- once I made the switch I immediately began looking for a more permanent home --- so within about a year and a half I was with 3 different firms, but the moves were all for good reason and necessary to ensure clients loans were funded.
3,727,873
It depends. During the mortgage crisis, that happened a whole lot - not so much now.
2,161,048
There are always reasons for any move but if there are too many moves in a short time that would concern me. I knew one LO who was with a different company every time I turned around, it was hard to keep track. Imagine this happens in the middle of processing your buyers loan!
1,197,152
763,883
I work with a good lender that is now with his 4th company. I believe in him but it's hard promote him and a company together. He changed companies at the close of escrow and docs needed to be redrawn, that sucked.
3,383,334
One of my favorite lenders jumped a bit there for a while and finally landed in one spot. I followed him through all of it.
444,170
Not a bit. In fact, my preferred lender has had three or four different logos at the bottom on his email over the past 15 years. I know my clients feel the same way about my company because they will ask me who I'm with. After seven years!
3,986,258
3,587,960
Yes it's shaky biz to me. We had a title agent keep moving and I never knew where she was.....I quit using her for that reason as I never knew who would follow up with our clients.
2,224,473
One of my favorite lenders have moved several times just looking for that right fit.
4,319,419
Corinne Guest, Managing Broker - definitely! How can you rely on a person like this?
687,136
I wonder why he moves around so much? And would like to hear both sides of it. But question is, does he do a good job for your clients?
1,502,998
So long as they hop from company to company in my area and to good companies, I'm happy. I usually promote the company rather than the person, since the company has the plans. I just make sure to find a good person.
2,061,803
If I have a good relationship with a lender, I will follow them from place to place (and have) unless and until they prove that my loyalty is unwarranted.
5,583,278
if he does a good job for you, I wouldn't be too bothered.... but if he starts slipping, cut him loose....
3,345,091
It does not bother me so much that they move ... it bothers me that they talk up how great and wonder it is for them but the move may not be the best for the clients they serve. I have a great lending partner who is rock solid in his position and has been with the same company for many many years!
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1,725,996
577,750
It wouldn't bother me if that person was a good mortgage broker and knew his/her stuff... It doesn't matter to me what company he/she works for... its the agent who I have my confidence with, especially one who I have worked with for many years.
4,882,355
2,817,671
Yes. It makes you wonder what's really going on and lower credibility to for your client.
That being said, it depends on why. If it's consistent, that's not a good thing.
911,338
It depends. I know some that jumped from BOA to George Mason. Others jumped from Wells Fargo to ? Sometimes moving to another company is best for everyone.
352,976
If it's one of my preferred LO's I don't care where they are as I know they will get the job done. I don't look at the company, but the person and how well they do their job.
5,049,183
It would depend on the situation and the reasons for the move, and how often.
7,836,134
711,852
3,416,038
Yes, it shows an issue and can disrupt any sale in process Corinne Guest, Managing Broker
1,712,676
Yes it would but I have used some folks at the same company for easily over 15 years.
1,466,207
Corinne Guest, Managing Broker No, not really. I deal with the loan officer because of their professionalism and loans they provide not because of the company they may represent.
5,216,398
At some point yes! The number of loans he/she closes compared with applications may have a bearing!