5,224,390
I would be holding up funds until what was agreed upon was done.
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Theo Shaw
Evanston, IL
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Margaret Goss
Winnetka, IL
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Teri Pacitto
Westlake Village, CA
353,915
Nathan Gesner that's a tough senario to explain in 1 paragraph. My feeling is that if the buyer is really unhappy, they can take pictures, then hire a cleaning crew and take the seller to small claims court later. Our contracts do not state the home will be "clean" just free of debri and personal property.
Around here a cleaning crew is under $200. I'd just pay for it as a closing gift and be the buyers hero. Bummer!
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Theo Shaw
Evanston, IL
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Hella M. Rothwell, Bro...
Carmel by the Sea, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
1,391,483
She's not in compliance with the contract. At that point, I'd leave it to the lawyers.
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Theo Shaw
Evanston, IL
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
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Lise Howe
Washington, DC
1,086,452
Our contract says 'free of debris and seller's personal items.' by COE. No more, no less. Anything less and it's a Cure Notice. I don't like to see final walk-through conducted until the very last minute for this reason. The buyers don't have a right to rush the seller out of the home. Sometimes a good idea is to have a professional cleaner who gives you a price break for volume at the ready as a closing gift. And of course all this can be easily remedied by educating everybody well in advance.
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Hella M. Rothwell, Bro...
Carmel by the Sea, CA
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
3,397,209
Our contract is essentially "broom" clean ...whatever that this. I could sweep a broom over a pile of dog crap and smear it across the floor. Is is broom clean? Yes, it is your honor.
You bet your sweet banana I would say something. I recommend all buyers change the locks or re-key them anyway ... so a locksmith would be standing by when it is time to take possession.
As for the cleaning ... call a cleaning service and move on.
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Allie Angeloni
Oro Valley, AZ
1,466,257
Nathan Gesner The seller owns the property until the paperwork is signed and recorded. I'm sure the buyer will get the keys at the closing. As for the cleaning broom clean is very subjective.
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
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Lise Howe
Washington, DC
5,583,758
Do and Say?? I insist upon a hold back to have the home professionally cleaned.... saying is not enough... I'd have a bid in hand and the holdback to cover reimbursement of cleaning....
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
1,027,657
Our contract does not require keys and we have had sellers not provide keys to all doors at closing. We have had sellers not have everything out at a preferred time, but unless agreed to in the contract, short of the house being debris free and broom clean, there is no recourse for sellers that drag their feet or do not do a thorough cleaning.
We prepare our buyers for this upfront; it may not be ideal, but it may be reality.
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Candice A. Donofrio
Fort Mohave, AZ
809,308
What does your contract say Nathan? Ours allow sellers to occupy the home until the moment of funding and recording. This can be tricky for walk throughs and sometimes requires a buyer to trust the seller will be out. Unlike others here, our contract does not stipulate broom clean. If a buyer wants to ensure a thorough cleaning they have to ask for it in the contract. Many times the seller just cleans it out of homeowner pride and courtesy but if they don't and it is not specifically written in the contract, nothing can be done to force the seller. Many buyers plan to clean it all over again themselves anyway so don't care or they request a professionally cleaning, but not in this hot multiple offer market. -Kasey
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Allie Angeloni
Oro Valley, AZ
1,255,848
That has happened to several of sales. The last one someone dumps a big pile of trash in front. Called the agent. He said he towed two abandoned cars and trash out. I think they missed this pile.
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Lise Howe
Washington, DC
3,073,563
Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI NMLS#1483386 nailed this one!
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Sandy Padula & Norm Pa...
, CA
1,743,227
As Dennis Swartz wrote. Our contract specifies the home needs to be broom swept.
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Tony and Suzanne Marri...
Scottsdale, AZ
2,820,830
Mission accomplished. Now, as to the "fault"...it is subjective. Use time wisely
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Lise Howe
Washington, DC
1,713,576
Tell them that closing will be delayed until it is done.
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
2,268,911
Without the "rest of the story", it's hard to know the circumstances. You didn't say whether you are representing the buyer or the seller. First instinct response: If you're representing the seller, I would not initiate any action but see what the buyer requests and go from there. If you're representing the buyer, I'd say insist on cleaning fees withheld at signing.
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Lise Howe
Washington, DC
921,504
What is the outcome expected?
'Do you say anything to the seller?" Yes.
But I would have done so days before. "How can I help?"
If I were a seller, and someone TOLD me to be vacant and clean two days before I would tell them to go pound sand and could do the opposite.
Sometimes we create our own crisis.
This is little stuff, I would get the property broom clean and call it done.
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Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
213,318
Yep, ask for costs or hold the payment up till they perform! Its your place to insist.
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Nina Hollander, Broker
Charlotte, NC
5,948,833
Our contracts USED to say it must be broom clean, but has no verbiage now.
1,527,674
Out here the seller doesn't have to be out until close of escrow. Home doesn't need to be vacant or clean and is usally quite the opposite since it's done within 5 days of closing while the seller is frantically packing up.
I've NEVER had a seller bring in a cleaning crew. They also don't leave it a pig sty.
91,335
This is exactly why I say our profession is part juggler and part putting out fires.
530,304
I would warn the seller that the home is not cleaned as per the purchase & sale agreement. The buyer may not find the home satisfactory and may request money off the price. Same for the keys not being available - the seller will pay one way or the other.
5,112,417
Hope they had a place to move to, most time it is the day after closing for moving.
4,800,232
This is where you hold some money in escrow and either delay the closing or pay the buyers to remediate their unexpected efforts and expenses.
5,409,304
No Closing until it's done - the way it directs them in the Contract that THEY signed! THEN, the keys can be handed over after the signing and recordation.
5,188,266
Wow..just reading the answers it shows real estate is local!! Our sellers are to be out the day before closing unless its a lease back or written in the contract to be out earlier. Everything is negotiable.
4,321,300
Nathan Gesner some people we just can't change! We should change our own direction - away from such people.
3,385,828
I represented a seller like this. We negotiated a two day post settlement occupancy for him to get the remaining crap out and clean. At a certain point, you can't do anything but tell them that's what the buyer wants.
If the buyer must move in settlement day, I would imagine a credit to the buyers for cleaning, if required by your contract, would be in order. Broom clean is all that is required here.
3,986,413
Up top my clients, but I would at least bluff and walk out of closing to get the sellers attention.
3,988,113
You will likely not get future busines so tell the seller how she has made it difficult and could have cost the sale.
3,416,159
Most often the sellers here are out the day of closing, maybe even the night before. Houses are left broom clean and the contracts state that. We do walk throughs the morning before closing. As a listing agent my sellers know from when they list, to when it goes under contract to when we get close what is expected of them. When i am on the buyer side, i stay in touch with the listing agent so they know what we expect.
6,591,965
1,002,068
What does the contract state?
In my area cleaniless is not guaranteed but the keys are!
8,050,276
259,105
If it was part of the agreement, then I'd hire a professional crew to come in and clean. Then deduct the expense as closing. If it's not, then I'd do it anyway as a courtesy to the buyers and demonstrate my professionalism.
745,552
If the contract required a clean house and the seller did not clean, she is in breach of contract. I would remind her of this, but some difficult sellers are just that - non cooperative. We often see agents hiring cleaners themselves or even cleaning themselves, but this is beyond the scope of required work. I would hire cleaners and send the bill to the seller - and hope they pay (but don't count on it!),
866,459
Here's what I did with a recent similar incident: called our attorney and updated him on the situation, told the client they'll probably be asked to have funds held back until all set, nicely reminded her that this is why I had suggested not booking them so close to the closing date and then watched it all unfold as anticipated. It all ended up just fine & I have another tale to help future sellers learn from.
2,696,360
It's like a Tenant who leaves without paying the last month's rent. Is it worth the legal cost to pursue it?
Was there another agent on the Seller's side? If so, can you go after that agent and their Broker?
As for the keys, call a Lockmith and change everything out. (Here in Florida, the Seller gives the keys to the Title Closer, BEFORE they get the Net Proceeds from the sale).
1,153,799
The contracts here state that the home must be broom swept (subject to interpretation). My experience is that if a Seller hires professionals to clean it upon their exit the Buyer will do the same upon entry. The winners are the cleaning crews. The rules are explained long before closing that personal property will convey if it remains in the home after its occurrence.
1,596,160
I dco, but ultimately I may have the home cleaned if it's not presentable and of course per contract, they have to provide the keys...or maybe I just provide extra copies off my copy if that becomes a drama.
290,969
There is usually more of a backstory to this particular situation regarding the Seller, which you would know if you represent them, though you might be representing the Buyer, and not know those specifics Nathan Gesner. I have seen some homes cleaned and some not, and cleaning can mean different things, so that could be subjective. Our contracts do not use the term, 'broom clean', and I could guess what that meant, but it was a new term to me personally when I read it! Our contract says, 'the house has to be in substantially the same condition at the end of sale as it was at the beginning of the sale', when it was first viewed. The keys are turned over here, at recordation, not at signing, also.
1,618,024
I would disclose to buyer of current situation. Closing may be delayed to Seller.
915,183
If possible, charge for cleaning expenses or deduct from sale proceeds.
2,409,760
I would explain to the seller that if she doesn't turn over the keys she won't be paid. Our contract specifies broom clean prior to closing - nothing about being out 2 days before - walk through can be the morning of closing - what does your contract say? If it doesn't say two days out then I can understand the seller taking her own sweet time.
5,773,919
Nathan,
Like Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI NMLS#1483386 we also had "broom swept" in our commercial real estate contracts. A