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Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
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IF I were to remove them, I would disclose that fact as well.  

All markets are different. In my market, given what you have shared about the condition, I would leave and disclose they don't work. 

 

Dec 19, 2024 03:05 PM
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John Juarez
The Medford Real Estate Team - Fremont, CA
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No mention is made in your question as to whether the house has any kind of current heating system, Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate 

Is the plan to hide the truth about lack of heating?

Is a new, quality heating system in place?

Will a home inspection cause difficult questions to be asked?

Dec 19, 2024 02:53 PM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
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Do your magic, Fred - make them disappear! I had a property receive lending with no heat other than a fireplace. It was a total reno and all FHA cared about was that it was HEATED - and it was.

Dec 19, 2024 10:15 PM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
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What I would do is take pictures of the location of each unit, maybe with rough measurements.  I'd keep those for the buyer if they want to put new ones in.  I'd then remove the old and (probably) ugly non-functioning units, cap off the wires, and seal up the wall as you described.

 

In California, we'd still have to disclose the work but that's it.  In that disclosure I'd put in that rough locations are available at buyer's request.

 

Since the house sounds like someone is going to do serious rennovations to it, you likely won't need the graphics as someone would likely put in central heat.

Dec 19, 2024 04:46 PM
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Candice A. Donofrio
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Can I assume there is existing heating other than those wall units?

Then yes, exactly what you said.

If not, could the units be made operational?

Offer a credit.

But I like the first idea better if it's doable and the home is habitable.

Dec 19, 2024 03:08 PM
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Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573
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     If you remove, electrical code where I live says you have to not sheet rock over but have an accessible plate showing a junction box or hidden but capped off power line is here.

     Need heaters in Maine and wondering why all the heaters in your home "don't work" all at the same time? Cheap fix to replace and for those lower temps even in Florida.

$50 to 60 bucks for some small radiator type from supply place Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate.

cheap electric wall heaters

 

Dec 20, 2024 04:41 AM
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Nina Hollander, Broker
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Good morning, Fred... I'd handle it the same way as Kathleen Daniels, Probate & Trust Specialist Regardless of what the disclosure form requires, I believe you can't go wrong with disclosing more rather than less. The fewer "surprises" after a property has gone under contract, the better!

Dec 20, 2024 04:11 AM
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Make them go away.

Dec 19, 2024 02:18 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Oswego, IL
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"As is" tells the story. Disclose they don't work and move on. The home needs major renovation and a buyer may be better off knowing what they would be starting with. 

Dec 20, 2024 03:46 AM
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John Pusa
Glendale, CA

Hello Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate I think, it is better to remove the wall heaters.

Dec 19, 2024 08:48 PM
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J.R. Schloemer
Kentucky Select Properties - Louisville, KY

I'd leave them and disclose they do not work, nor will the seller repair the non-operating units. It is all negotiable, and adds "character" to the property. If they want them to work, then they can do what they want when they own the property. You want me to repair, then add $XXX.XX to the offer price and I will get them in working order before walkthrough/closing.

Dec 19, 2024 08:29 PM
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Thomas J. Nelson, REALTOR ® CRS,ABR,PSA,RCS-D, CFSP
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Either way, they are a disclosure and typically in colder climates that will affect the desirability and the price. Deferred maintenance costs more in the market that repairs cost in reality when the market is flat or favors buyers.

Dec 20, 2024 06:12 AM
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Brian England
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Hmm, I think I would say that it would be best for them to be gone, but perhaps it is worth noting that the connections are in place should a new owner want to add wall heaters themselves in the future.

Dec 20, 2024 05:58 AM
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Richard Alan Naggar
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REMOVE

Dec 20, 2024 07:32 AM
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Alan May
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Given the fact that you're in Florida, I suppose a home with no central heating system (and only a cast iron insert in the fireplace) might be feasible.  It sure wouldn't work in my Chicagland area.

Personally, I would lean toward removing the units... BUT.. you never know... it's possible that the new owner might want to install new heaters in those same locations... so it would be nice to know the junction boxes were already there, and functional... so 'maybe' not?

What if the seller offered the new buyer the option... we will either:
1) remove all of the units, and drywall/patch 
       or
2) leave the non-functioning units in place, but offer a credit in the amount we would have paid for the removaL?

Dec 20, 2024 03:04 AM
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Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!
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All properties are sold AS IS but if I was the seller, I'd take them out, cover the hole(s) and disclose why. Everything up front is always best, in my opinion.

Dec 20, 2024 04:57 PM
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Eileen Burns 954.483.3912
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I agree with J.R. Schloemer leave them.  What happens when you remove them and find other issues like bring this or that up to code, a permit for dry wall etc.  The home needs a total reno and this will be part of it.  Seller disclosure will include this.  Further, I would omit certain types of loans that would not pass muster in an effort to save valuable time off market to only find a loan denial Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate  

Dec 20, 2024 08:46 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
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Every action should be disclosed. Covering up former heaters seems a bit deceptive. Q - if there are no heaters, how is the house heated?

Dec 20, 2024 11:31 AM
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Doug Dawes
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Disclose, disclose, disclose. Then how about electric baseboard heaters for those 6 locations?

Dec 20, 2024 09:28 AM
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Bob Crane
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Probably easier to just fix the six heaters.

Dec 20, 2024 12:18 AM
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Brian L. Sirota, Esq.
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I believe Wanda Kubat-Nerdin - Wanda Can!  provides the most clear and precise response from both an aesthetic and legal standpoint.

 

Disclosure matters are always tied to materialism. Would a buyer consider it significant to know that the heaters were removed and the holes patched up?

 

Removing the heaters and addressing the necessary repairs will likely make the property more attractive to potential buyers and could avoid legal and aesthetic concerns down the line.

 

Alternatively, offering the buyer options, as Alan May suggested, is also a strong approach, especially with an active buyer involved.   Involving the buyer significantly lessens legal and aesthetic concerns.

 

Great question Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate.

Dec 21, 2024 03:08 PM
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Matthew Sturkie, CRS, GRI 909-969-3805
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Seems like more trouble to remove them than to leave them.  Disclose that they don't work and maybe put it in the contract that they don't work and will not be repaired or replaced. If the buyer wants to house bad enough, they will not worry about those heaters.  Also, wouldn't you have to disclose there were wires in the breaker panel not connected to anything?

Dec 21, 2024 08:46 AM
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Peter Mohylsky,
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Why do they not function?  Can they be repaired?  Why have they not been repaired.  

Pending more information.  Keep them in place and disclose that they do not work.  

Dec 21, 2024 06:53 AM
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Greg Large
ERA Real Solutions - Grove City, OH
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Under the conditions you described I see no advantage to removing them, the buyer has the option of replacing them in the same locations with minimal trouble or expense. 

Dec 20, 2024 01:54 PM
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Jeff Pearl
Samson Properties / LIC in VA - Lovettsville, VA
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If I removed them, and if allowed by code, I'd just put a removable access panel over the hole in case new owner wants to install new heaters.

Dec 20, 2024 12:06 PM
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Lynnea Miller
Bend Premier Real Estate - Bend, OR
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When in doubt, disclose.  I would suggest leaving them and then disclose they don't work. 

Dec 20, 2024 10:54 AM
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Steve Higgins
RE/MAX Kelowna - Kelowna, BC

I believe disclosure is the best way to go. 

Dec 22, 2024 05:45 PM
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Katina Hargrove 352-551-0308
Stake Your Land Realty, Inc. - Eustis, FL
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Fred Griffin Florida Real Estate 

Disclosure is best bet!

Dec 22, 2024 02:29 PM
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Tony Lewis
Summit Real Estate Group - Valencia, CA
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I would make sure that the house has proper heating and remove all non-essential heaters from the house.  I would then have the house repaired in a manner that the existance of the heaters doesn't affect the showing.

Dec 21, 2024 03:39 PM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
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All depends How much $$$ they want. If it is priced below market value ~I would not worry about the removal.  In any case unless those heaters are replaced,  prepare the seller to face some kind of credit to the buyer. 

Dec 24, 2024 11:31 PM
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Will Hamm
Hamm Homes - Aurora, CO
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Hello and I would make them disappear but be prepare to explain what was there

 

Dec 23, 2024 09:57 AM
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Michael J. Perry
Fathom Realty - Lancaster, PA
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I would get a quote on Mini Splits 

Dec 23, 2024 06:35 AM