John DL Arendsen, Crest Backyard Homes "ADU" dealer & RE Developer (CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments)

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Gene Riemenschneider
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I have never owned one.  I find the discussion interesting.  I talked with a well off gentleman once who owned some time shares.  What he told me is it was not a good financial investment, but it was a good investment in his life.  It kind of forced him to take vacations.

Feb 25, 2015 06:08 AM
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John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
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Gene Riemenschneider That's spot on! All it takes is some of those to make it work. I'm in the same situation. Our TS's do make as exhale occasionally. 

Feb 25, 2015 10:13 AM
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Kimo Jarrett
Cyber Properties - Huntington Beach, CA
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Fractional ownership works if the location and property is going to be your primary vacation destination, for example, Hawaii. But it depends on what time of year you're scheduled to share the property, doesn't it, so many factors must be addressed to accommodate your schedule?

Most people who own a fractional have flexibility with their time and can travel almost at will. However, with advanced planning, anything can be accomplished. IMHO, timeshares work for most consumers but not a fractional.

Feb 25, 2015 01:21 AM
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Andy Madrid
Hawaii Coast Realty, LLC - Kailua-Kona, HI
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I think one question to ask yourself is what does today's consumer want? Everyone is talking about "Millennials" and what they are looking for and what concerns they have. The housing market is still a tough market to get into when you are currently renting and a lot of today's buyers saw what happened to their parents nest egg when the market collapsed. Some believe that owning a home is their highest priority wow others believe that renting is the way to go because they want to be more mobile and not tied down. That being said The young buyer might see fractional ownership as more attractive because it allows them to be more mobile. As far as timeshares go, I think they kind of had their day. I think the biggest problem is the consumer and what their expectation is with regard to a timeshare. Sure, the sales people give the pitch and suck people in, the consumer ends up buying it and then their complaint is never about the property it's always about the fact that they feel that they don't get the value because I don't use it or they can't take time off from work, etc. however, there seems to be a strong market for resales of timeshares at discount prices.

Feb 25, 2015 12:26 AM
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Sandra Paulow
Aspen Properties, Inc. - Pinetop Lakeside, AZ
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If I understand the concept correctly, with a timeshare you own a block of time but the building is owned by one entity.  With fractional ownership you own a piece of a a building and a block of time.  I have an issue with the whole concept of fractional interest.  How do you own a piece of a building and what happens when someone wants out?  The others have to buy them out.  Banks won't lend on a piece of something because the whole property must be encumbered.  Personally the concept does not appeal. 

Feb 24, 2015 11:55 PM
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Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
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Cash laden Marriott should be a good resource for you if you can open the door enough. Their efforts seem to be focused on the long haul as the market climbs. Is there a need for timeshares and fractionals? Not right now but eventually there will be once again.

Feb 24, 2015 06:31 AM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
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John,

Funny you brought up Fractionals.  We were working with a company that was launching fractionals in luxury.  We started out with a Chateau type home in Vail, and had plans for several luxury homes throughout the US.  We had planned for real concierge service, cars in the garage, chefs, etc.  We developed a site, brochures, etc...

With the market being what it became, partners arguments, and the main guy left holding the bag, we dropped it.    You bought your partnerships at a good time, and you would need to do some research on this.   I am not sure if this would work today, as there is a whole lot of places to stay, and Air B &B has taken a big foothold in the market place.

When we went to Paris for a luxury conference with all the major brands, we stayed at an aparment that was magnificent in the 8th, a block from the President's home.  It was over 1200 square feet, beautifully furnished with free Wi-Fi, phone usage within France.  Our cost for 7 nights was $1500.  It was better than a suite at any of the best hotels in Paris. 

Our friend in Napa has a timeshare there, and as a result has had nice trips with those who reciprocate.  So I am positive based on his experiences, and at the same time, I would really have to see some data,  A

 

Feb 24, 2015 05:55 AM
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Gabe Sanders
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I only can tell you what I read about them in Florida and it's mainly pretty negative press.  Though, your ownership results may be better.

Feb 24, 2015 12:55 AM
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Bob Crane
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It takes a great sales person to sell these things.  Many who own them are glad they bought them, as long as they do not try to resell them.

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Wayne B. Pruner
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I don't know much about timeshares, other than they can be bought cheaply on the secondary market, but I learned more reading these comments.

Apr 07, 2015 08:05 AM
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Larry Johnston
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I haven't heard much about timeshares in recent years, compared to the 1970's.

Feb 25, 2015 12:45 PM
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John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
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Kimo Jarrett You're right about that. It is indeed a seasonal perogative that most folks can't afford the luxury of. However, when your primary market is Snow Birds from Canada in the winter and Zonies in the summer, plus the Del Mar racetrack crowd towards the end of summer there's not too much falling between the cracks.

Feb 25, 2015 10:21 AM
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John DL Arendsen
CREST "BACKYARD' HOMES, ON THE LEVEL General & Manufactured Home Contractor, TAG Real Estate Sales & Investments - Leucadia, CA
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No doubt the sales pitches on new TS's are relentlessly high pressure. That's because TS's are a one call close. If you don't close them on the first round chances are they'll walk and never come back.

Add to that that 60% of the sale goes to sales, marketing and advertising cost because they pay a salesman a huge chunk i.e. 10% or more and the advertising and promotional cost to get someone to walk into the door costs mucho $$$. Great insight.

Feb 25, 2015 10:18 AM
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Sandra Paulow
Aspen Properties, Inc. - Pinetop Lakeside, AZ
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John Arendsen - thank you for clarifying for me.  It is a concept I am not really all that familiar with since there are few such entities in my area.  I do know someone who is looking at doing something with fractional interest and I just can't fathom how it works.  I do know that from converstaions I have had with our local lenders, they won't lend on part of something.  I wish you luck with your project. 

Feb 25, 2015 12:30 AM
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John DL Arendsen
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Sandra Paulow Au contraire. With many timeshares and most fractional ownership you are actually deeded your week or 1/52 interest in your unit/villa, etc. What it looks like you're describing is tantamount to a TIC without actual RE ownership.

That stated, however, since the RE market tanked in '07 many if not most timeshare properties have converted to a point system. This was largely due to the dramatic up tic in timeshare foreclosures whence inventories started mounting and TS developments had to maintain the properties and pay property taxes. 

I'm not fond of the point system and I think it will eventually obliderate the TS industry. It's difficult reserving the more popular properties ie Hawaii, Orlando, etc. where the bulk of folks want to travel.

We still own our original deeded week at the Desert Springs Marriott and have no intentions of selling it. As for the weeks we purchased in Cabo we have a lifetime interest in that property.

Feb 25, 2015 12:18 AM
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Kevin J. May Thanks for the vote of confidence for the future of TS's!

Feb 24, 2015 06:34 AM
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John DL Arendsen
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Ron & Alexandra Seigel Spot on my friend. And you can add to that the wierd and wacky World of Trading homes. We've been members of HomesForXchange for the past few years because some friends of ours have been having some very positive and exotic trading experiences all over the globe.

We signed up for it just for the fun of it and have had some awesome trading opportunities trading our beach casita for some very nice exchanges in France, DC, Boston, and are planning our next trade for Hawaii in May. You just can't beat that price....................$000.00.

We were a little skeptical at first but once you start a dialouge with trading partners and establish a comfort zone swapping pix et al you soon become disarmed. 

There's just so many other prerogatives out there nowadays but we've been hanging onto this property since '98 and they're just not making anymore of it so we may just have to man up and getterdone and see what the surf brings in.

Feb 24, 2015 06:33 AM
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John DL Arendsen
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Gabe Sanders Actually we purchased a Marriott Timeshare at The Desert Springs Marriott in '91 for $5700 and have literally traveled the globe with it on trades so it has more than paid for itself over the years.

Even with a 1k annual maintenance fee it continues to more than pay for itself. When you consider paying upwards of $500/day for a 5 star resort hotel (golf course, health spa, swimming pools, villas fully complimented with full kitchens, outdoor barbques, etc).

We also bought into Club Cascades de Baja, in Cabo in '86 which is a 7 star luxury resort that's more like a private club than a timeshare. We have a legacy interest in this which means that it's forever and can be passed on to future generations.

Where I'm going with all this is that if it's the right kind of property and you can purchase it without going into decades of debt and you intend to use or trade it regularly it can be a very good opportunity.

I won't use the word investment because it really isn't. If you're purchasing one to realize a potential ROI don't waste your time. But if you truly want to use it and you can afford it it can be a real fun prerogative.

But timing is everything and our waterfront resort project Surfer's Point Resort will be a one of a kind fractional ownership opportunity (one month increments) as there is no more virgin coastal property on the San Diego Coastline that can be developed in this way. 

However, the question remains. Is it a good time to revisit this opportunity? Thanks for your comment. It's always nice hearing from you.

Feb 24, 2015 01:21 AM